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security is, any of the retirement or tax issues, but i'll tell you this. i think that all these stories aren't necessarily going lead us to the truth. i personally have a very size way i'm approaching this. the president is supposed to leave for a 21-day vacation in hawaii on december 17th. where he is on december 18th will tell me, and i think the markets will pay attention. i find it hard to believe, and i agree with bill and many, who are very not amused by the house taking their long weekend. i'm sure that the president would have no intentions of leaving until these issues are resolved. i think the market is being kind, but i think it's a timing issue. >> yeah, i think that's a good point. somebody mentioned the other day that the president is planning a trip to hawaii on december 17th. i said, what? they said, no, no, no, not unless the deal is done. we'll see about that. meanwhile, the house goes away for a lock weekend. all right, rob. what do you think? you think we're going to get a deal done by the year end? >> i think there will probably be a deal done. i think you have to l
're going to delve into any type of serious reform on the tax or entitlement side or even a framework by christmas. oh, yeah. i guess i'm the tooth fairy. >> bill, so what do you do here with no fiscal cliff deal yet, with whispers of possibly the fed stimulating the economy even further, and with economic data pouring in almost daily that suggests we're still sputtering along? >> well, i tend to think 2013s going to be a great year. i'm not just looking at housing and employment. i'm looking at the architectural building index. there's stuff in the draw room. they're ready to bid out this winter and break ground in the spring. the republicans know that. the democrats know that. i would agree with rick. right now it's hard to imagine they can come up with something. we know they can. we know the democrats can say, okay, we'll give you something on means testing entitlements and we'll move the social security age up. republicans will say, we'll get rid of second mortgage deductions. they can do it. i don't think they really want to do it yet. so we just sit here sort of up 100, down 10
to deal with higher taxes and a slower economy? a lot of people expecting recession in 2013, if, in fact, this occurs. >> think about what works well in a slow-growth economy. consumer products companies do well. high dividend payers. you'll see 100 companies that have already declared dividends this month. those are the strongest companies in the market. those are the ones that can afford to buy back shares or invest in high r.o.e. projects next year. i wouldn't avoid them just thinking dividend taxes are going up. they're the strongest in the market. you also have energy infrastructure, which is paying about 6%. most of it is a return of principle. these are companies with some of the lowest cost of capital ever. high return projects, long-term contracts. the government is in support of energy independence in this country, so we don't think the taxes change for mlps and energy infrastructure investments. finally, if you like high-yield corporate bonds, we love high-yield municipal bonds where we're getting 6% federally tax free. corporate high yield has rallied too much. we've sold it.
to go over the fiscal cliff. there will be some sort of resolution. they'll come up with some tax cuts, some breaks in spending, and probably kick the can down the road on a lot of it. i love the way this market is acting. it's not selling off with all the bad news, all the bickering, all the bad words on each side. you've got to love the way that this market is holding up here. doesn't mean investors need to be carefree, but overall, it looks like the market is setting up with a lot of negative sentiment out there. looks like there's a lot of opportunity for a big run higher once we get some form of resolution. i really believe we're going to get it. >> you think by year end? >> i really do. i think they want to go home for christmas. they're not going to want to not go home for christmas. you can always count on politicians to do the right thing when all other options have been exploited. they're going to finally get there because they have to. they're not going to solve 100% of it right away. >> jump in, abbigail. >> i think it's too early to be bearish or bullish, for that matter.
gains tax or dividend tax as opposed to much higher because we know that taxes will probably go higher in 2013. oracle is accelerating payments of 2013 dif dens. they're going to pay second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter dividends this month. gordon, what has that done to trading and investing environment? all these special dividends. oracle is doing it now, second quarter, third quarter dividends this month so investors can get taxed at the 2012 dividend rate. >> it's bigger than that because it's not only the corporation themselves but corporate executives. cashing out options looking for preferential tax treatment there as well. that's just prudent corporate management. you can't fault them. stocks paying special dividends have been outperforming the spx in the time period since this started happening. in some ways in the convoluted way it's been a positive for the market. >> oracle is down, though o this news. >> oracle is down right now. gordon, you make a really good point. that's where the performance has been, the conditions paying these special dividends. when i see
selling, given the fact that people are worried about higher taxes. i guess it makes sense to unload some of your winners if you're sitting on big gains. get the 15% cap gains tax now rather than the potential of the 25% in just a couple of months. >> well, broader issue -- a lot of them have been underperforming throughout the year. s&p is up 12%. a lot of people i know are up 4, 6, 7%. that's underperformance. they have a real problem how it. they have to stay invested or find some way to outperform or they're going to have problems. so what do you do? this is a real tough situation. >> all right. thanks, everybody. appreciate it. have a good weekend. see you soon. >>> as you know, the market ending the week mixed, but we saw some wild swings following a parade of fiscal cliff comments this week. >> lawmakers expected to meet this week to work for a compromise. >> i would hope our friends on the other side can turn off the campaign. >> we could have prevented this crisis months ago by just simply adopting what we passed in the senate. >> president obama is meeting with high-profile chie
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